Curse

XenElement · Jan 03, 2010, 08:20 PM // 20:20

Hmm. Well, I've heard of and even played an assassin dervish, using various critical strikes skills to up the chances of a critical hit, dealing insane damage. The other day, I was ABing, and I came across a player running some sort of Crit spear build. Huh???

Imo, there are no elite paragon skills to base this off of and make it worth while. Yet... This player took out 3 eles in the time it to me to resurrect back at the shrine! Almost killed our entire team!

The build appeared to be using some kind of enchant removal. Can anyone build on this, whether I should try to pursue making one of these crit spear characters for pvp, and what the build would be?

I know it'd be something like the following

FallBack --- Saw him use it, basic speed boost

Way of the master--- Critical Hit %
Critical Eye---- Critical Hit %

3 spear skills --- Could be more or less

I think the elite he used was Dark Apostary, which is how he killed all the eles, preventing them from healing.

Actually, Now that I'm remembering this, it's kind of intriguing. Any thoughts?

(Yes, the Eles probably sucked for dying from 1 person. Don't flame about that, just looking for build related comments. Wasn't sure if this belonged here or in the AB section. Mods, put it where it should be please.)

Killed u man · Jan 03, 2010, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Soldier's fury is half decent on a sin. 10 seconds of 33% IAS. to bad you have to spend 1 second of those 10 seconds standing still

XenElement · Jan 03, 2010, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Well actually, I'm trying one of these right now in AB, and it's murdering. I put in shadow refuge for a decent self heal, and so far have tanked 8 minions, taken out 4 eles, the same enchant relying derv twice, all before the either team scored 150 points. Huh.

Any potential for this? I'm using the Dark Apostary thing mentioned above.

The Mad Addict · Jan 03, 2010, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Not really a new idea it was used before when Way of Assassin affected other weapons but maybe this other elite can make it viable again.

XenElement · Jan 03, 2010, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Hm. Well after a few run throughs in AB, it appears to be VERY effective on any enchantment based enemy, anything that requires enchantments to be effective.

Kills easily in under 20 seconds:

Elementalists
Monks
Mesmers (In some cases, lyssa's aura etc.)
Dervishes(Longer to kill, may require help.)

The problem is, what I have together so far is not so effective at shutting down warriors and rangers. Is there some sort of blind skill that could help?

I Jonas I · Jan 04, 2010, 12:31 AM // 00:31

it's not that good of a build, but if I were to make a critspear build it would be:

Vicious Attack
Blazing Spear
Swift Javelin
[Optional]
Critical Eye
Dark Apostasy
Critical Defenses
Way of the Master
[Optional]

with the optionals being for RA Res sig and maybe "go for the eyes"
in AB bringing "Fallback" is a good idea, and IDK whatever else you want

zelgadissan · Jan 04, 2010, 12:32 AM // 00:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by XenElement

Is there some sort of blind skill that could help?

You could try Smoke Powder Defense, but that wouldn't do much against Rangers. The only other A/P option I can think of is Blinding Powder, which has to follow an off-hand.

XenElement · Jan 04, 2010, 12:41 AM // 00:41

@ Jonas :
Hmm. I hadn't thought of using it in RA, I think I'll try that.

@Zelgadissan:

No blind skills... Darn. Well, We can tweak it somehow I guess.

Reverend Dr · Jan 04, 2010, 02:19 AM // 02:19

Probably just the old A/P from the old GvG spike build. It had never really gotten nerfed, just phased out of favor.

Killed u man · Jan 04, 2010, 03:20 PM // 15:20

^

Yeah, but that's more spike power tough. Pretty sure a warrior hitting without skills would do more DPS than that.

Imo:

Vicious Attack
Spear of Lightning
Cant Touch this
Soldier's Fury
Way of the Master
Critical Eye

+2 optional skills is the way to go for DPS.

Reverend Dr · Jan 04, 2010, 08:04 PM // 20:04

Against stationary targets sure, but if people start kiting or happen to use snares the ranged spear damage will quickly overcome the base auto attack damage of a warrior.

XenElement · Jan 05, 2010, 01:36 AM // 01:36

@Killed you man:

I agree w/ your opinion on a build for High damage, but I saw this player again, and he definitely was using Dark Apostary to shut down anyone that uses enchantments. I think this is what kills those eles.

Also, IMO, PvP touch rangers aren't effective, just annoying. What would ctt help with? Shock warriors?

@ Reverend Dr:

I totally agree, I can kite out of the way of melee, and AoE elementalist skills, the only disadvantage being that spears aren't that hard to dodge. With Crits, I get as much as or more than the typical warrior in terms of plain old damage. I can take out ANY character with no other things effecting it in a few hits.

By having D.A. on my bar, enchantments don't help, so this has also been VERY successful at taking out monks, as they can't use any/most of their protection spells.(Guardian, etc).

Maybe having Stance removing spear for warriors? I think I'll go try that now.

J1000 · Jan 05, 2010, 09:30 PM // 21:30

BTW it's Dark Apostasy, not Dark Apostary

You guys sent me on a wild goose chase trying to look that up!

XenElement · Jan 05, 2010, 11:39 PM // 23:39

@ J1000:

... Oh. Oops. Curse of lazy reading, lol. Well, when browsing through the priest o' balth, I found another elite, Siphon Strength (Yes that really is what it's called J1000

).

This elite allows the constant 33% Crits that come from the attribute Critical strikes to be replicated, and I think I'll play around with this a bit.

Wonder what profession to go with though.

Hmmm.

The Arching Healer · Jan 06, 2010, 12:58 PM // 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by XenElement

Hm. Well after a few run throughs in AB, it appears to be VERY effective on any enchantment based enemy, anything that requires enchantments to be effective.

Kills easily in under 20 seconds:

Elementalists
Monks
Mesmers (In some cases, lyssa's aura etc.)
Dervishes(Longer to kill, may require help.)

The problem is, what I have together so far is not so effective at shutting down warriors and rangers. Is there some sort of blind skill that could help?

It can't kill Monks lol

Nechrond · Jan 06, 2010, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Half the people you meet in AB seem to run some kind of superhero build that goes all to pieces if you strip their enchantments, especially PUG-ers. This build is like that, except with good enchantment removal of its own. So while you'd kill all the other superhero guys, you'd die to people with "normal" builds, but with a bit of enchantment removal added in.
In theory, that is.

Div · Jan 06, 2010, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

^

Yeah, but that's more spike power tough. Pretty sure a warrior hitting without skills would do more DPS than that.

Imo:

Vicious Attack
Spear of Lightning
Cant Touch this
Soldier's Fury
Way of the Master
Critical Eye

+2 optional skills is the way to go for DPS.

It's AB. Most bars there do much less damage than a warrior autoattacking, but are still considered good because people bring worse stuff.